John M. Cooper, 'Plato on Sense Perception and Knowledge (Theaetetus 184-186)' in Fine's
Plato 1.
- By the end of the article, Cooper thinks his article has
identified what is important about the Theaetetus' rejection of perception as
knowledge. Namely, it brings on the recognition that bare
sensory awareness is different from sensory labeling, which is
different from forming judgements of various sorts based on
sense data. That is an advance on what we find in the Republic or Phaedo, and so Cooper
thinks is a point in favor of his interpretations.
- Plato's argument that knowledge is not perception
- two prevailing interpretations:
- The objects of perception are just not the sort of things
we have knowledge of or can have knowledge of (i.e. we can't
perceive the forms)
- Plato never formulates this in the Theaetetus itself.
In other dialogues, we are given reasons to suspect this
is what he thinks, however.
- Cooper points out that in the Tht. all we see is the mind applying
common conceptions (existence, sameness, unlikeness,
likeness, identity, etc.) to perceptions, but nothing is
said about their status or how they are applied.
- Sensation and judgement are distinct (179c), but Plato
does not make that clear via the forms: he uses the common
conceptions of the mind.
- The thinking we do about perceptions is knowledge,
not the perceiving or the contents of perceptions
themselves.
- Merely using senses is not enough for knowledge
- Plato seems to want to limit perception to the proper
objects of the senses (see Frede's article too here).
- So what is Plato saying about perception?
- The mind interprets the sense data.
- The mind sees things THRU the sense organs.
- The senses themselves are not aware of the data they
collect?
- The mind is aware of it thru the senses.
- The mind can also apply "common conceptions" to sense
data to judge that this data is like something or is
different from something or is the same as something, etc.
- It makes judgements THAT something exists, is like, is
different, etc.
- These judgements involve "common conceptions": i.e.
things like sameness, difference, identity, beauty,
goodness, oneness, etc.
- Plato does not discuss at all in the Tht. WHERE the mind
gets the common conceptions from.
- Plato may differentiate between acts of perception of the
mind and those of the body.
- So when he rejects the thesis that knowledge is
perception, what is he rejecting?
- He probably rejects the purely bodily perceptual acts of
the sense organs AND the act of labelling some given sense
data as "blue" or "red" or "smelly" AND the mental act of
perceiving "that there is blue", or "that this smells"
- We have to watch out for what he means when he says
"perception is knowledge"
- At 186b11, he says the perceptual actions are common to
humans, beasts, and day-old babies: that is mere sensory
awareness without any labelling or judgement "that ..."
- If this is the sort of thing he means by "perception"
in rejecting the thesis that perception is knowledge,
then he is rejecting a minimal candidate for knowledge
that few would claim is sufficient for knowledge.
- That candidate is something like merely the ability to
sense anything without any capacity for judgement or
reasoning about the data collected by the senses: that
is what it seems that babies and beasts have.
- When he illustrates independent use of the mind "itself
by itself" in contrast to perception, he uses exclusively
the application of common conceptions as illustrations.
- At 185b and 186b, he says that we decide and
investigate whether a color or sound is similar or
not using our minds independently of the body.
- Alongside of that, he says we investigate whether
things are bitter with our senses
- So senses can include the labels "bitter" or "red"
or "smelly" and that does not involve use of the mind
itself by itself.
- And it's not the use of labels such as "bitter" or
"red" that he is rejecting when he rejects perception
as knowledge.
- He means to reject "this is red" as a candidate
for knowledge and accept "this red thing exists"
or "this red thing is similar
to that" as candidates.
- He does that because the ones he accepts involve
common conceptions.
- 185e 6 makes this most clear, when he concludes that
there are some things the mind investigates by itself
and others it does thru the bodily senses.
- So maybe he is rejecting everything short of that.
- Plato seems to differentiate between those processes that
require a conversation of the mind with itself and those
which do not.
- Mere recognition that red is present to the eyes does
not require any identifiable thought: it seems to happen
automatically without any conscious thought about it. It
is sufficient merely to direct your attention to a stop
sign and "that's red" pops to mind. No thought.
- But when we say "that stop sign is like the ones in
Madagascar," we employ a concept "likeness" that requires
the mind to "converse with itself"
- NOTE (this is Bailly's sceptical addition): this all may
seem plausible, but think of certain processes that we
make "automatic" by practice. For instance, the thought
required to decide how much to turn the wheel of a car to
get into that parking spot or how much pressure is
required to brake by a certain point: we don't have a
conversation with our mind to do such things. They are
automatic.
- BUT they have not always been so: we started out
driving having to think hard about all such things.
- Cooper suggests that in the "passive" occurrence of
perceiving, and in the more active act of labelling
something "red" or "tasty," as well as in the formulation
of the judgement "that thing is red," we have all the
evidence we need from the senses. IN CONTRAST, when we
formulate a judgement that involves common conceptions,
our evidence for judgements such as "that thing is as red
as a cherry" or "that thing is tasty in a similar way to
rhubarb pie," we have to consult evidence outside of our
sense data.
- So perhaps going beyond sense data for evidence is
the key difference between perception and thought.
- Next, Cooper says that Cornford misread the Theaetetus. Cooper
seems to have a point. Cornford was so eager to find the
Forms in the Theaetetus
that he ignores the fact that even people who don't
believe in Forms believe in things like equality,
identity, existence, and so the mere presence of them in a
theory of epistemology is not sufficient to see the forms.
Cooper carefully points out that the Theaetetus never
discusses the Forms qua Forms nor does Plato show any
interest in where the "common conceptions" come from or
what their nature is. Thus the Theaetetus is innocent of the Forms.
- Plato is interested in the difference between operations
of the mind involved in perception and thought about
perception, not in the Forms in the Theaetetus, Cooper
concludes.
- Plato clearly thinks that any candidate for knowledge must
"grasp being" and "grasp truth"
- What he means by that must be figured out by examining
the account he has given of application of the common
conceptions to sense data (i.e. he does not discuss it
directly, so we have to look for evidence).
- Cooper comes up with two interpretations, both of which
he thinks are plausible and cannot be rejected. He opts
for the second one.
- Perception is mere perceptual awareness and is not
knowledge because it does not involve discursive
thought.
- Perception is perceptual awareness plus labeling of
sense data, but it fails to be knowledge because such
things cannot be independently verified and are not a
matter for experts.
- Perception is mere perceptual awareness and is not
knowledge because it does not involve discursive thought.
- Thinking involves thinking that ... , namely it involves
application of concepts to form thoughts that have
propositional form or can be formulated into propositional
form.
- This interpretation has the advantage that knowledge is
the sort of thing that can be true or false, and that
requires propositions.
- It fits with various things Socrates says, such as
186d2: "So there is no knowledge in the experiences we
undergo, but rather in the reasonings we do concerning
them":
- sense awareness is supposed to be purely passive,
whereas labeling involves activity that can be called
"reasonings."
- BUT this interpretation has disadvantages.
- namely, the idea that perception does not involve
propositional content must somehow be found in the text of
the Theaetetus
to justify this interpretation.
- The only place Cooper can think of to find it is in
the assertion that in perception we do not grasp being.
- "being" has apparently meant "existence" in the
dialogue in its previous occurrences.
- that would mean that we cannot perceive existence
with the senses, which seems right.
- but how does that imply that perception lacks any
judgement or propositional content whatsoever?
- perhaps Plato thinks that any time we make
judgements, we must either concomitantly make a
judgement about existence or before we make any
other judgements, we must judge existence.
- Cooper thinks that both of those are not good
options. He does not say why. I guess it's just
obvious. Maybe it is.
- but maybe "being" means not just existence, but any
predicative use of the verb "be" to predicate
something of an object. Namely, any judgement that
says "X is
Y"
- That would provide an easier and more defensible
version of this interpretation.
- And Greek uses the same verb for existence and "X
is
Y"
- Still problematic, because the labeling process
(saying "red" when you see red) is related as not
involving any proposition. Not all concepts require
"being" to be applied, perhaps
- Perception is perceptual awareness plus labeling of sense
data, but it fails to be knowledge because such things
cannot be independently verified and are not a matter for
experts.
- This interpretation has a lot going for it too.
- First, Cooper goes to look at a related matter, the
refutation of Protagoras in which Socrates says that any
predictions are not like other appearances, because after
the time has passed by at which the predictions are
supposed to occur, we can verify that they did (not)
occur, and so there is room for being mistaken.
- Predictions involve expertise, in other words: the
experts are right in their predictions (or right more of
the time than non-experts).
- Just so, knowledge implies expertise for Plato, and
perceptions are not the sort of thing that one can
"correct": if one sees red and labels it "red," nothing
can correct that (not even pointing out that the object is
not 'really' red)
- So perception is not knowledge because it cannot be
corrected, it cannot be subjected to evidence that is
external to the perceiving agent.
- This interpretation uses clearly Platonic assumptions
(knowledge is expertise) and is a philosophical advance.
- Whichever interpretation we follow, Cooper thinks his
article has identified what is important about the Theaetetus' rejection
of perception as knowledge. Namely, it brings on the
recognition that bare sensory awareness is different from
sensory labeling, which is different from forming judgements
of various sorts based on sense data. That is an advance on
what we find in the Republic
or Phaedo, and so
Cooper thinks is a point in favor of his interpretations.