Gregory Vlastos 'The Individual as an Object of Love in Plato':
first published in Vlastos' Platonic Studies, 1973,
Princeton UP.
- Aristotle defines love as "wishing for someone what you
believe to be good things--wishing this not for your own sake
but for his (or her)--and acting so far as you can to bring them
about." P. 137 in Fine's volume.
- for the other person's sake
- note: strictly speaking, one could fulfill this definition
and have it be the case that one does not value that
individual as that individual: one could just want "an
individual" to love and not be so concerned that it be "that
very individual"
- this is not a "soul mate" idea of love, in other words
- Aristotle is using this definition as a central meaning of
"love" around which other related "loves" are focused.
- friendship comes in varieties
- true full-on unqualified 'friendship' is for the other
person's sake
- does not exclude pleasure and profit
- just for mutual profit
- just for mutual pleasure
- just for one-sided pleasure
- just for one-sided profit
- sex might mix into it and move it from friend-ship to
lover-ship
- but sex and love are not synonymous: being a 'lover'
does not necessarily mean loving in this sense.
- love for things is another phenomenon
- Vlastos brings in this later-than-Plato definition of
friendship as something against which to measure Plato's concept
of love
- First, the dialogue Lysis, whose subject is friendship
- the idea there is that a person is loved if, and only if,
s/he produces good.
- key question that is not addressed: good for whom?
- is it possible that "good" is nothing but good for all
concerned?
- is "good" relative?
- at Lysis 213eff, Plato clearly says that A loves B
because A needs a benefit from B and just because of that
benefit
- "if one were in want of nothing, one would feel no
affection ... and he who felt no affection would not love.'
215b-c
- the "Proton Philon": the thing that is loved for its
own sake, not for something else
- we love a doctor for health, and we love health for
something else, and ....
- we love money for what it buys, and we love what
it buys for something else, and ...
- at the end of the chain, there is something that we love
for itself, NOT for something else (or so Plato says)
- what is that thing? Plato says it is "the good"
- the good for any given person is what makes that person
a flourishing human (i.e. 'happy')
- there is no further elucidation of "the good" in the Lysis.
- Republic:
- the state in the republic is held together by
familial love
- the allegory of metals shows an ethos in which everyone
feels related to the state as to a parent, just as metals
are related to the earth as a mother
- part of the "noble lie"
- everyone comes from the earth
- each person either has an affinity for gold (guardians),
silver (thumetic/soldier/military), or bronze (workers)
- the guardians should care for the state as their family
- nuclear family is abolished
- children are offspring of a group, not individuals
- no marriage, just mating ceremonies
- all property held in common
- guardians are subjected to an extent to the state's
will
- all of this will promote proper love, philia, for the
state
- non-guardians, producers, are not subjected to these
structures
- producers are subjected to the guardians' will
- because the guardians really do know what 'the good'
is and the producers do not
- this should promote 'love' philia, says Plato
- consider what the Lysis said: you will be loved if
you are useful
- this fits perfectly with the Republic.
- in the Republic, one is loved in so far as, and only
in so far as, one produces good for the community as a whole
- Karl Popper, whose book The Open Society and its
Enemies is fantastic, calls this "collectivist
utilitarianism"
- "Plato recognizes only one ultimate standard [of
justice], the interest of the state ... Morality is
nothing but political hygiene."
- Popper is not quite true to Plato:
- Plato and Socrates both hold that developing one's soul is
the highest human goal: moral development.
- The state is to be judged by whether it improves
individual human souls.
- consider a consequence: if a guardian ceases to produce good
for the community, she is no longer loved, and things like
medical treatment would be wasted on her (Rep. 407d-e)
- consider individual freedom under that regime: all privacy
and freedom is subject to the state: one's sex life is
regulated: singing, writing, speaking are all restricted:
democracy disappears
- private pleasure, private pain, etc are all done away with
(somehow) in the state: Rep. 462a-b
- surely it is reasonable to think that a friend feels pain
when a friend feels pain, and a friend feels pleasure when a
friend feels pleasure
- Plato takes that to the extreme: all the guardians share
each others' pleasure and pain, and they have no private
pleasure or pain that is not shared, because those private
feelings act against the unity of the state
- so Plato tells us not to love an individual for that
individual's sake alone: an individual is not the proton
philon, the thing that is loved for its own sake, not
for something else
- the proton philon is the idea, the forms. we are to
love them
- Plato uses both filein and eran (the
friendly kind of love and the more passionate even physical
kind) of this love of ideas: 479e, 501d
- Symposium.
- Diotima's speech clearly speaks of love of ideas
- because the good is good and we think it will make us
'happy'
- mere 'skin-love' for procreation is but a shadow compared to
the love that creates ideas or creates via ideas
- the ascent goes through the utilitarian procreational
heterosexual to the homosexual to the ideal
- Vlastos calls this the transmuting of the physical in to the
imaginative and intellectual
- Ideas
- Plato's ontology
- three sorts of things
- Forms: transcendant and paradigmatic
- The Character of the sensed objects which is an
instantiation of a given Form
- Sensed objects: things that may or may not participate
in a given Form
- more concretely:
- The Form Justice
- The Character justness of that thing.
- A person or thing that participates in the Form Justice
- Clearly Plato thought 1 and 2 are separate,
distinct from each other: the Form Justice is
different from the Character Justness of any given sensed
object.
- This distinctness or separateness is not discussed
clearly by Plato
- One way to interpret it, which Plato often suggests, is
that the Character is imperfectly what the Form is
perfectly
- That is treacherous:
- Does the Form "Change" constantly Change? If so, it
is not unchanging and stable, and so ... it is not a
Form
- Is the Form "Plurality" itself perfectly plural? If
so, it is not one, and so it is not unitary, and so
... it is not a Form.
- Self-predication is a big problem for Plato.
- SO, perhaps Plato did not mean for the Forms to be
self-predicative?
- Well, that won't work either, because that renders
Diotima's speech rather puzzling:
- Why would we be so attracted to the beauty of the Form
Beauty? it itself would not be beautiful.
- Plato's theory of Love would not have worked.
- Vlastos' suggestion:
- Proper study of Plato's theory would need to include
consideration of the following:
- Plato was a homosexual
- Plato was a mystic
- Plato was a moralist
- "...a clinical study of the effect which Plato's inversion
[i.e. homosexuality] would be likely to have on one who saw
anal intercourse as 'contrary to nature' (Phdr. 251a,
Laws 636-7), a degradation not only of man's
humanity, but even of his animality: even to brutes, Plato
believes, 'nature' ordains heterosexual coupling. (Laws
636b) This thought would poison him for sensual
gratification with anticipatory torment and retrospective
guilt. It would tend to distort his overall view of sexual
fulfilment, while leaving him with raw sensitiveness to male
beauty and heightening his capacity for substitute forms of
erotic response." P. 156 in Fine's Plato 2's version
of Vlastos' article
- NOTE: although we object to the characterization of
homosexuality as 'inversion', we might find ourselves not
objecting to the overall thesis here, which is that in a
highly repressive society, the repressed experience strong
pressures on their worlds which have consequences for how
they view and react to and interact with the world.
- "... a study which would connect his theory of love with
his religious mysticism, exploring the implications of the
momentous fact that while Plato retains traditional deities
and sets high above them in the Timaeus a
creator-god of his own devising, none of these personal
divinities stirs either awe or love in his heart, while the
severely impersonal Ideas (Forms) evoke both, but especially
love, so much so that he speaks repeatedly of communion with
them as an act of blissful and fertile conjugal union." P.
156 again
- Morally
- Things (Forms) evoke love and passion more than persons,
in Plato's world.
- This is not at all implausible: we have intense
attachments to abstractions such as ideology, reform,
revolution, art, science, philosophy, etc.
- This kind of love can reach a "mad obsessive intensity"
that is as powerful if not more so than physical love: it
can certainly affect more people
- Plato puts our desire to create as the driver of all of
this: it is not some sort of lust or sexual urge. It's a
desire to create in the world. Plato thinks we are driven
in all activities that strive for beauty by this hunger to
create.
- "We see in the Phaedrus what keeps Plato's head
clear even when his senses are inflamed. It is the
ontology of the paradigm form (i.e. the self-predicative
form). That harshly dualistic transcendentalism, which
enraged Aristotle by its 'separation' of Forms from things
and which nowadays drives analytical philosophers to
despair when they try to make logical sense out of it,
proves a sterling asset in this area. It sustains a kind
of idealism less addicted to the pathetic fallacy than are
most other kinds. It makes for a more truthful vision of
that part of the world which we are all most tempted to
idealize and so to falsify -- the part we love. And it
makes for a gain of another, no less important kind:
freedom from the tyranny which even the unidealized love
object can exercise over a lover. ..." P. 159
- "But a sterling asset may be bought at a heavy cost.
Plato's theory floods with the most brilliant light a
narrow sector of its theme, and there points the way to
authentic spiritual achievement. Beyond those limits the
vision fails. Plato is scarcely aware of kindness,
tenderness, compassion, concern for the freedom, respect
for the integrity of the beloved, as essential ingredients
of the highest type of interpersonal love.... It is not
said or implied or so much as hinted at that 'birth in
beauty' ... should enrich the lives of persons who are
themselves worthy of love for their own sake." P. 160
- "... the cardinal flaw in Plato's theory (is that) It
does not provide for love of whole persons, but only for
love of that abstract version of persons which consists of
the complex of their best qualities... persons cannot
compete with abstractions of universal significance, like
schemes of social reform or scientific and philosophical
truths, still less with the Idea of Beauty. (Smp.
211e)." P. 161
- "Here we see the polar opposite of the ideal which has
moulded the image of the deity in the Hebraic and
Christian traditions: that of a Being whose perfection
empowers it to love the imperfect: of a Father who cares
for each of his children as they are..." P. 162